Global Combat

[Peacemaker]

As an FYI to everyone, I am in the midst of developing my own game site as well, with a GC equivalent and other games of my own design. I have the financial, technical, and management requirements to complete this project, although additional input about features is always welcome. At this point, I am pretty far along in the design and will probably have the coding started within the month and completed shortly thereafter. There's always the possibility that it won't come to fruition, but as it stands now everything is on track to make it happen.

So if you don't see me hanging around GC or IRC very much, you'll know what I'm busy doing

[cugel the clever]

Peace-

I'm putting together a meeting of folks who have expressed interest in building an alternate GC site. Can you attend? It seems a shame to build two parallel sites.... perhaps we can combine resources?

The meeting is at 2pm EST this Sunday on yahoo messenger. It would be great if you could attend.

[Duke33]

Woohoo - bring it on Peace I can't wait . . . when are you going to tell us more about the other games? Sort of like Star Wars trailers . . .

[dredard]

If Peacemaker's new gaming site is as well groomed, and meticulous as his Hall of Fame page was, I am salivating in anticipation of it.

[seaellem]

^^^
ewww. looks like we have a stalker, kids.

[dredard]

O.K. "Salivating" was probably a moronic term to use. My bad seaellem, poke fun all you want, I should have said, I'm anxiously awaiting the day Peacemaker posts a new weblink to his new site.

[AtomicSlug]

If u need a beta tester PM, let me know. You know where I live and how to get ahold of me even when I'm sick and unsociable :?

[Trib]

[cdspro]

I'm proud to say, I haven't watched a news program in several months now...

[monster]

[CGBLACK]

Same here - if you need a beta tester please consider me. I'm an IT Director, and have had experience in War Games for 30 years. Third Reich, Diplomacy, King Maker, ASL. I have been hosting a private PBEM diplomacy session for seven years.

I too am drooling at the thought of a GC alternative. I love GC, but the latest round of politics, while worthy of a Machiavellian type of game, sucks in real life.

[WackyZooDotCom]

Looks like we have 2 or 3 alternatives in the works. I'm disappointed we couldn't find a way to work together.

Wacky

[Red Dwarf]

wacky, i think you all could, just that a lack of co-ordination has prevented it so far and peoples desire to get away from anything to do with Bryan as soon as possible...

cugel had a good idea about organising a commitee.....

[Red Dwarf]

in the meantime.... do you ask others in your games if they know about these forums?

would be a lot easier to announce any new sites in here than to do a fall of nations type spam campaign

[4MOR4GC]

cdspro said: I'm proud to say, I haven't watched a news program in several months now...

I havent sworn off news just yet but I have comitted myself to turning the TV or radio off at the first mention of Michael Jackson. Dont people have any decency left?

I have added MJ stories to my list of things to turn off. On-Star commercials, GAP and Old Navy ads, Commercials for dope that I dont need, any story where we are given unneccesary graphic details especially when children are involved, Bob Dylan selling bras or anything for that matter, MTV, BET, any "music" channel(unless they show Beavis and Butthead reruns), all network programming between 8-10PM(except 24), all of the leftist news networks.

If you stop buying this crap they will stop selling it to you.
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[Peacemaker]

I feel that as long as everyone continues discussion in these forums, we are working together to some degree.

[Peacemaker]

Response to question from Hall of Fame forum.

[cdspro]

No, no, no....Carry on Peacemaker... You da man, you da man...

[Drahlek]

Peace,

I understand with and agree with what you say from your point of view. But I have a few questions.

1) Will you share your "all encompassing enhancements list" with everyone here?

2) Can you share your specific design ideas, philospies, and architectual design decisions you have made regarding this new site.

3) Would you allow others to participate in the actual coding of the new game?

4) Would you share a % of the income generated from the paying customers with others. i.e. those like yourself in the old GC, who put in a tremendous amount of time making the site better, creating tournys, and many other things to help grow the membership.


4 is the hardest to answer and I have no answer myself nor would I even want to begin how to quantify one. But thought I would ask anyway.


And another question, "What is your main objective and reasons in creating this game site?"


-Drahlek

[Red Dwarf]

...i think....peace wants what GC should have become.... but absentee landlord left foul taste in mouths of his customers and voluntary help.....i think...

[WackyZooDotCom]

Well, actually I wanted to give loyal players who were betrayed at GC the opportunity to actually "buy in" and become part owner - even if a small percentage - in a new site.

Wacky

[cugel the clever]

Peace-

Everyone appreciates your efforts as an Admin and as a committed and generous player, and everyone is grateful to you for investing so much of your personal time into planning and creating a new site.

I think that some of us are a little concerned that you are developing this in a vacuum. I have no reason to disbelieve that you're hearing people's suggestions and incorporating them. However, to this point, your new site is a black box. We don't know which suggestions that you're employing, which suggestions you're discarding, and who you are involving. I don't think anyone intends to "boycott" your system, but a greater concern is that if you don't engage in some mutual dialog with people in order to hash out ideas, then you run the "risk" (pun intended) of creating a site that people don't like and won't play.

How about doing this in a staged manner in which you present increasingly detailed specifications/outlines of the site and seek feedback and volunteers to assist?

A benign dictatorship is better than the neglectful, abusive dictatorship that we have now; but I think a democracy is better still.

[cdspro]

Okay, this may be Peace's spot to step in with a response, but I for one don't like the direction in which this questioning is going...

Peace is creating a site of his own, on his own, based on (1) some of the suggestions that were placed in the "Features Request" forum on the old site and (2) some of the discussions that were held amongst old admins as to the possible direction of that old site...

When Peace created the new and improved version of the old GC hall of fame, he didn't need someone there to hold his hand as he created the thing, he simply did what he saw fit, then unveiled his "beta" version of the site, opened it up to comments and criticisms of the "beta" version, and then moved to respond to said comments (man, I so wanted to put "cromments" here, with no malice whatsoever, just out of fun, but decided, um, "better" of it....) and criticisms and version 2.0 of that HOF was an improvement still...

In other words, I have complete trust that if we just leave well-enough alone for the time being, Peace will not only come up with a pretty incredible site, but also that if we as a community have any comments, criticisms or suggestions about that already incredible site, Peace will give each comment, criticism and suggestion its due consideration...

Or in further other words, lay off the guy for a bit here and let him get to work...

Right?

[cugel the clever]

let me say again........ i have nothing but the greatest respect for peacemaker as a player and as a person. but, i've been around the IT business for 30 years and i've seen a lot of IT projects go off the rails because of lack of checkpoints and feedback at the earliest stages of a development project.

the problem with waiting until a site is ready to preview in beta version is that by that time a lot of design and coding effort has gone into it, and it may be too late, ot take too much time, to make major changes.

if people have a chance to provide input, and constructive criticism, at an early stage; then its a lot easier to make changes before the code is actually written. it's peace's project, and his choice. i'm just saying that a little back and forth communication at this stage might save some time later.

[Drahlek]

Perhaps the tone of my post did not really portray things correctly. I am not attacking Peace, and yes I do think if left to his own would create an excellent site, much much better than Bryan's and I am sure he would manage it infinitetly better than Bryan did.

I also have zero problems with what he is doing, none. My only issue is that don't call it a collaborate effort. What Peace described is a process, a perfectly valid and fine process, in which ideas flow primarily in one direction to be minimall discussed, and then filtered. And then he implements what he wants and produces a product for others to consume. And then continue iterations of that to maintain and further enhance the quality of the product. That is a very good process to use to accomplish the task.

But it is not collaboration, collaboration is when several parties form a team from the idea's first conception and continually work together to bring it to fruition.

Leaving him alone to get to work, is the complete opposite of that.

I will say, that given the right person, and I am not gonig to say that anyone is or is not the right person since I really do not know everyone's abilities and personalities well enough, but givent he right person the approach Peace is taking actually could result in a better end result, pending who is involved in the collaborative effort.

Again, I have no problems with what Peace is doing and meant no offense. Just that in my opinion of what the term collaboration means, and not to speak for Wacky, but what I believe Wacky wanted, is entirely different.

[WackyZooDotCom]

Let me be clear, I wish Peace all the best and great success with what he develops, and I'm sure I will play his game.

I just want to be in on developing a new game myself, and I know others are intested also. I think it would be cool to work with a group who have ownership stakes in the game - that's just the direction I want to go.

My opinion is not meant to take anything away from Peace, nor to be a criticism of what he is doing. Hehe, if I had the ability to create a game all by myself, who knows, I might be inclined to go that route.

But, I also know that would be a lot of work. Peace can probably do it. Lord knows he was a workhorse at GC.

But, I'm going to enjoy being a part of a group where several of us are doing various parts of the project, and allow others to "buy in" and have the satisfaction of actually having an ownership stake in the site.

If we could all work together, fantastic. If not, then good luck to Peace, and good luck to us on both our projects.

Wacky

[Drahlek]

I think I need to stay off the forums and stay in the code!

What I code comes out the way I want it to.

What I say on forums does not!

Hmm, what do all these smily things do... :P

[dredard]

Bottom line for me is this: NONE OF US HAD ANY INPUT ON THE CREATION OF THE ORIGINAL G.C. THAT BRYAN MADE.

So, why the hell is everyone now demanding we are this HUGE part of Peacemaker's new plan. Give the guy credit where MUCH credit is due. He's going to create a site, it's been in his mind since long before any of the fallout happened with Bryan.

And I for one 110% trust ALL his decision making and know he knows the community and what's best.

Give the guy the respect he deserves, if you've seen his old Hall of Fame page and the amount of detail in it, you have to know it's not going to be sucky.

[Facade]

One thing to note about Peace, he talks to you and more importantly LISTENS. Isn't that a big improvement? I think so. He has displayed tolerance and a sense of humor.

Wacky is cool too. He has simply and professionally stated what he'd like to see in a new game and its development. He has expressed his thoughts in a factual and un-emotional manner. Peace's solution may not be Wacky's perfect solution, he recognizes that and is only asking for the same respect he is giving out.

It all boils down to respect folks. I respect Wacky and Peace. The future is bright and I'm looking forward to the next generation of gaming from this community
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[AtomicSlug]

PM have u thought about shared ownership via investment funding? If not, maybe a PayPal (or pther) Donate button for development/deployment/maintenance costs? Since you are one of the few players here that I have to come to know and trust for the most part, I wouldn't mind donating either $$ or web space or hardware. Let me know if I can help at all with resources.